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John Hall's avatar

I meant to comment on your last post about this, but where you say "Graduate degree holders dropped by 13-17 points in a decade", it's not like we are measuring the same groups of people. If you allow more people to get graduate degrees, then that could bring down the average scores since you were previously very selective and now relatively lesser. If anything, though, that lines up with your broader point about credentialism.

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I feel like you might be over-indexing on just a few results when you claim that education doesn't cause any increase in skills. I'm theoretically open to the idea that it's nothing but signaling, but I'm not convinced just on the strength of the results of a few math and reading tests. For one thing, there's clearly a huge variety of different environments that all go by the name of "higher education," from online two-year bachelor's programs, to community colleges, to state universities, to ivy-level institutions. That's to say nothing of the range of disciplines available — a master's in Post-Colonial Studies and a PhD in Optical Physics both count as having a graduate degree, for instance.

I also think you're too quick to dismiss the possibility that education increases more specialized skills even though it doesn't improve basic math and reading — after all, classes aren't focused on teaching those basic skills anymore once you get to the higher ed level, and it seems plausible that many students only bring those skills up to a "good enough" level before focusing more narrowly on skills specific to their field of study. If that's the case, you could explain the drop in average scores with selection effects while preserving the possibility that more specialized skills could still be getting taught.

My prior here is that just as in many debates, reality lies somewhere between the "it's all signaling" and "it's all useful skills" positions. Common sense would suggest that the lowering of standards to allow more people to graduate from high school or with a bachelor's degree really are just credential inflation, and it also seems likely that a lot of the "studies" degrees and maybe the accelerated online programs don't teach people that much. But I still think that a lot of formal education does have value, and I would be interested in seeing more work trying to disaggregate useful vs. useless programs.

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