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Thanks, Max, for the post, and to everyone for the comments.

I think that the objection in the post is a good one. Indeed, I think it's probably the best one. That's why I considered it in the paper: it's what I have in mind on pp. 273-4 (in the published version, 24-5 in the preprint). Those pages were inspired by the diamond-water paradox.

1. Before I reiterate my response to that objection, it might be helpful to present a simpler version of my main argument. Compare two toy economies. In the first, Worker 1 makes all the difference to output—their MRP=Y—but their labor wouldn't make any difference in the absence of the labor of Worker 2. Worker 2 makes all the difference to the difference that Worker 1 makes. And this will show up as Worker 1's MRP: making a difference to the difference that Worker 1 makes is itself to make a difference to output. So reward according to MRP has them split output evenly. In the second two economy, Worker 1 again makes all the difference, but this time depends not on a single other worker but on a group of workers, and what they only together do. Their individual MRPs, suppose, are very small. So reward according to MRP has Worker 1 take home almost all of output. My central claim is that the distributive outcome in this second economy is unfair. That claim does not depend on a failure to appreciate the diamond-water paradox; it does not require denying the obvious fact that the individual labor of Worker 1 is more valuable than the individual labor of Worker 2 through Worker n, which fact, we can suppose, is explained by the former's scarcity.

2. In the paper—on the pages mentioned above—I write: "While a worker’s marginal revenue product depends on both that worker and on groups of others, that worker is an individual; the groups are groups. In particular, the groups are unstructured or diffuse collectives—roughly, collectives that are not agentially united. (A classic example: “polluters.”) And what unstructured collectives make happen, the thought goes, in no way bears on what their members deserve." Max writes: "The workers of G don’t deserve any of W’s marginal product because each of them, on the margin, is unessential for it. That W would suffer if G and all its substitutes disappeared together shouldn’t credit the members of G any more than the fact that food is worth everything in a famine should make the prices at the grocery store go up." A common view in philosophy is that it is at least sometimes the case that members of unstructured collectives have reasons for action, and can be rendered deserving,​ on the basis of what the collective makes happen. This is why an individual polluter, for example, can be blamed even if their marginal contribution to the harms produced by that kind of pollution (not: their marginal contribution to the amount of pollution) is zero.

3. It is not obvious that this common view is correct. There is a famous challenge to it, which the philosopher Julia Nefsky dubbed "the inefficacy problem": How can these individuals be rendered deserving by an action that by hypothesis makes no difference? It's very weird! My argument presupposes that one of the extant solutions to the inefficacy problem can be solved, such that the "common view" mentioned above is vindicated. In the blog post, as I understand it, Max rejects this view. That is a reasonable position, but it is less a straight-on objection to my argument than a denial of one of its presuppositions.

4. Suppose that you do indeed think that the notion of individuals being rendered deserving on the basis of what a collective makes happens is implausible. Here is just one observation that might move you. It is not the case that, in the second toy economy above, the entire story of "value" in that economy is a story of individual difference-making. The collective value of the group's labor does not disappear: it shows up in the individual value of Worker 1's labor, in the straightforward sense that, in the absence of that collective labor, the value of Worker 1's labor would (by construction) be zero. This is what I had in mind when I wrote, in the Jacobin summary of my paper: "For economists tempted to dismiss this as an unproblematic and trivial consequence of the fact that wages are set by marginal and not total or average products, the point is that the marginal productivity of the one worker is itself partly determined by the total product — of the other workers." This sentence was also meant to anticipate the invocation of the diamond-water paradox. (I've been waiting for a blog post like this since I wrote the paper.) This is not a knockdown argument, but I do hope that it has some force for those who accept the view that it is only the value of individuals' labor that matters morally. Why is it okay for Worker 1 to in effect get credit for the collective value of the labor of Worker 2 through n, when Worker 2 through n don't themselves get credit?

A few commenters have wondered whether any economists have read the paper. They have, including an economist at Columbia, whose department was mentioned above. I've also presented the sequel paper to a room of mostly economists. As I mentioned, the best objection that I consider in the paper was inspired by the diamond-water paradox, although I was aware of that paradox before talking to any economists about the paper.

More generally, the paper was partly motivated by what I think is a bad (normative) response to the role of scarcity in the marginalist theory of distribution; here I think Max and I agree. You often hear people dismiss reward according to MRP out of hand by saying: MRP doesn't reflect your "contribution," it reflects the scarcity of your labor. But as Max points out these are not competing claims; all else equal scarcer labor makes a bigger contribution. On this note, to repeat, I am nowhere denying that the workers Max thinks perform more valuable labor in fact perform more valuable labor; my claim is about whether they can take all the moral credit for that value.

I think that economics is important, and that more political philosophy should engage with it. With the help of an economist friend and claude, I've been learning econometrics in part for this reason, but also so that I can read econ papers for myself. If there are any economists reading this who are interested in talking more, please email me. I'm especially interested in feedback on the sequel paper: https://ebehrle.github.io/scc.pdf. If you didn't like the first paper, I think you're going to hate this one... But I also welcome corrections to the first paper, though it's already published. (One of the commenters suggested that an LLM identified some big problems. I asked one of the Claude models to come up with objections last month and didn't find any of them compelling.)

Michael Magoon's avatar

I wonder if the editors of The Journal of Philosophy asked any economists to review the article before publishing. My guess is that the real reason for its popularity is not its cogent logic, but that the author has claimed to undermine the moral legitimacy of markets.

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