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Grant Mulligan's avatar

Fascinating, Max. Thanks for sharing!

Askitaka7500's avatar

Very thankful that the next president will redefine harm again to destruction loss of habitat. Hopefully a law will be passed to permanently enshrine this definition so no future Republicans can undo that measure.

Eugine Nier's avatar

And this attitude is why the US got de-industrialized.

mathew's avatar

I strongly disagree with you

Instead, we need to get congress to update the law to codify what the new regulations are proposing

The amount of red tape that we have, it's not sustainable

Karen's avatar

You are in favor of driving as many species as possible to extinction. In your ideal world there is nothing but humans, rats, and cockroaches.

UlyssesB's avatar

No, if someone was trying to drive species to extinction, that would still be considered take under this interpretation of the ESA.

mathew's avatar

Where did I say that? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions

Karen's avatar

If you support the Scalia / Trump version of the ESA you are directly and intentionally in favor of driving as many species as possible to extinction. Either you support science or you support greedy developers and destroying all remaining nature. It IS that stark.

mathew's avatar

No its not.

It's possible to want to protect species while at the same time recognize that our current thicket of red tape has gone way to far and is strangling growth

Karen's avatar

No. There is NO way to let developers loose to make a killing and preserve any part of nature.

Mike Mellor's avatar

So the problem is one of overreach. When the only tool you have is a hammer...

Ken Kovar's avatar

Be careful when you make a species extinct: it may have ripple effects for the whole ecosystem 😎

Mike Mellor's avatar

What about if it's a niche species only found in one limited locale? With tens, hundreds or more sister species in that genus?

Karen's avatar

There aren’t ’sister species.’

Mike Mellor's avatar

Read the bit in Darwin's Beagle about Galapagos finches.

Karen's avatar

What has that got to do with anything? Whe you’ve killed everything off there won’t be any population left to diversity.

Karen's avatar

So you’re in favor of driving as much wildlife as possible to extinction.

At no point have you given one moment of consideration to the animals you’re demanding we kill.